Wednesday, December 13, 2017

4-Day MP-Bishops'Church Council ended

Will wonders never cease!?: It has ended, the 4-Day long MP-Bishops' Church Council/Sobor: The Moscow MP's continued playing games with the Ukrainians- and also with all the Russian Diaspora too-

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Dan Everiss

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Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:14 PM

Ended the four-day Sobor of the MP Автор: Интернет Собор вкл. Author: Internet Sobor incl. . . Опубликовано в Московская Патриархия (Просмотров: 33) Published in The Moscow Patriarchate (Views: 33)
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Проходивший 4 дня Архиерейский Собор МП благополучно проголосовал, надо думать, за все ранее подготовленные документы.

The Bishops' Council of the Moscow Patriarchate, which continued for 4 days, easily  voted for and accepted,  I think,  all previously prepared documents.

По отношению к Украине были закреплены в Уставе МП положения, принятые в 1990 году (свободы в пределах дозволенного Архиерейским Собором и Синодом МП).

In relation to Ukraine, the previous MP provisions adopted in 1990 (freedoms within the limits permitted by the Council of Bishops and the Synod of the MP) were fixed-verified in the Charter of the MP.

 Ничего нового, кроме того, что для введения людей в Украине в заблуждение, записали, что Украинская Церковь отныне "управляется из Киева" (якобы) - будто именно в Киеве находится Синод МП и проходят Архиерейские Соборы МП (все решения которых обязательны для Украинской церкви), и будто в Киеве сидит Московский Патриарх (который передает украинцам миро, имя которого возносится первым во всех украинских храмах, который благословляет или не благословляет новоизбранного Предстоятеля УПЦ МП).

There is nothing new, except for the fact that to mislead people in Ukraine, the MP Bishop's Council has  officially recorded, that the Ukrainian Church is henceforth "ruled from Kiev" (supposedly) - as if the Synod of the MP is itself, in Kiev (?), and the Bishops' Councils of the MP (all decisions of which are binding for the Ukrainian Church), and... as if.... the Moscow MP Patriarch is himself sitting/enthroned on his cathedra, .... in Kiev (?) , [i.e. the Moscow MP Pat. Kyrill-Gundayev]---he who represents to the world, The Ukrainians, (?) and whose holy name is commemorated/'raised up to God', first, before all others,  in all Ukrainian churches, and who blesses or does not bless, the newly elected Primate of the UOC-MP. ..i.e. .'The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate'.

В отношении УПЦ КП, после небольшой суеты из-за филаретовского письма (кто появился раньше - яйцо или курица, т.е. чья это была инициатива МП или КП?), "постановили образовать" согласованную заранее комиссию для переговоров - нехитрый дипломатический ход для успокоения украинского общества.

With regard to the UOC-KP,  the main & second-largest in over-all membership, the  rival Ukrainian jurisdiction to the Moscow controlled UOC-MP,  ["The Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchate"] after a little fuss, due to the UOC-KP Patriarch Filaret's recent negative letter to the MP [wherein Pat Filaret  expressed his negative sentiments, that 'the MP has deceived me', etc.]......as for that letter: the question to ask is: 'Which appeared first, - the  egg or the  chicken?', .ie. whose initiative was it,  to create this 'fuss'?, that of the MP's  or.... the KP's, ...so that it has now been "decided to form" a negotiating-commission to conduct negotiations - a simple [MP's hoped-for] diplomatic move, for the soothing of Ukrainian society.

Переговоры об автокефалии с Филаретом можно вести десятилетиями, и отвечать всем недовольным - мы же ведем переговоры.

Negotiations on autocephaly/'independence'  with Ukrainian KP Patriarch Filaret, [whom the MP has always considered as their disobedient schismatic errant former-bishop] can be conducted for further on-going/endless-? decades, and still could meet with, at its end, all the ....current  dissatisfied debaters - claiming: 'we are ...still....negotiating'.

А там, может, Филарет и умрет, ситуация в корне изменится.

And then, it could happen  that at some future date, maybe, KP Patriarch Filaret will die?, and then the whole situation will radically change?

 Для Филарета же (а главное - его окружения) статус переговорщика уже есть хоть какое-то положение в Worldly-orthodoxy

 и шаг к признанию.

 For KP Patriarch Filaret (and, most importantly, for his loyal entourage), the honorary status of 'The negotiator', already has at least some commonly accepted and a  respected diplomatic position in World-orthodoxy and as such, it could be a step towards ...some conclusive....recognition...or conclusion. 

Конечно, филаретовцы и комиссию создадут, и на переговоры ходить и фотографироваться там будут (украинские националисты этот шаг не одобрят - лучше бы с папой римским договаривался).

Of course, for KP Patriarch Filaret and this commission,  it will be created, and they will go and have taken photos of themselves there; (but Ukrainian nationalists will not approve this step - as it would be better or more meaningful, to their way of thinking, if the.... Pope..... agreed).

Однако сам факт проведения Собора МП и непредоставление на нём полной свободы (автокефалии) Украинской Церкви, уже является для Украины скандальным событием, последствия которого сегодня трудно предсказать.

However, the very fact of this holding of the Council/Sobor of the MP.... and it then  NOT granting full freedom (autocephaly-'independence') to the Ukrainian Church,  is already perceived as a scandalous event for and in  Ukraine, the consequences of which are difficult to predict today.

Также Собор МП постановил: "В год десятилетия восстановления единства с Русской Зарубежной Церковью, вознося благодарение Господу об этой дарованной милости, члены Освященного Собора считают необходимым, чтобы были предприняты дополнительные усилия по упорядочению канонического положения епархий и приходов русского зарубежья".

Also, the MP Council decided: "In the year of the 10th anniversary of the restoration of unity with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, [now named ROCOR-MP] thanking the Lord for this granted favor, the members of the Holy Bishops' Council, consider it necessary that additional efforts be made to:

{'STREAMLINE'.... the canonical position of the dioceses and parishes of the Russian diaspora." [this clearly means, integrating/ABSORBING-STEALING   all ROCOR/MP parishes and monasteries and properties with all of their faithful clergy and laity, WORLD-WIDE,  into/UNDER  the MP, the Stalin created in 1943...false & uncanonical  'Mother Russian Church']

То есть, упорядочить в сторону принадлежности имущества.

That is, order in the direction of ownership of property.}
В общем, прибыли члены Собора МП для голосования, и проголосовали.

 In general, members of the MP Bishops' Council did arrive and they attended in order  to vote, and they did cast their votes.





My question about the smug and self-satisfied sinister & crafty faces of these privileged MP-'bishops' seated in their soft and comfortable luxurious theater throne-chairs, in this photo: Would any of you really dare to fully trust any one of them? For myself, I could not. And I suggest, that their 'votes'  were predetermined, pre-arranged, -scripted from the KGB run Kremlin, and as ordered for them to vote yes or no on, by special KGB actor, 'Patriarch Kyrill'-Gundayev.... just the same as when "His Excellency, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is 'democratically and..... freely (?) ..... elected😁...and re-elected...and re-elected....'."😉
Rd. Daniel



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